Monday, 22 December 2008

A bit gay

Iain Dale has a post about having to deal with some thirteen year olds who were trying to disrupt a TV interview he was recording in a park in Tunbridge Wells.

Iain says that the reporter told the kids to go away because they were a disgrace for burping while he was trying to record. As Iain says, perhaps not the wisest move.

But what really struck me about the blog were two things:

- Iain felt that because the 13 year olds were happy to engage in a shouting match with the reporter (reporter called them a disgrace, they called him a fucking prick) that they would naturally gravitate to stealing his phone or 'very expensive' Christmas present.

- Iain felt it appropriate to abuse a 13 year old by telling him that his clothes looked 'a bit gay'. Let's forget completely about Iain's sexuality here. Does any serious political operator want to pander to homophobic abuse by using it himself. On a thirteen year old.

13 comments:

Iain Dale said...

Congratulations Alex for being the first person to accuse me of being homophobic. Yes, let's disregard my sexuality, shall we? Jesus!

In modern day kid's lingo, gay means 'crap', anyway.

Remember the Chris Moyles incident?

Anonymous said...

You really think this was worth writing? Talk about PC gone mad. Get a life.

The Burbler said...

"Congratulations Alex for being the first person to accuse me of being homophobic. Yes, let's disregard my sexuality, shall we? Jesus!

In modern day kid's lingo, gay means 'crap', anyway.

Remember the Chris Moyles incident?"

Not sensitive at all then.

Henry Mayhew said...

How does anyone know that Iain Dale is gay, as he claims?

Perhaps he is really a post-modernist.

Seems an odd comment to shout otherwise.

Alex said...

Iain
I thought long and hard about the phraseology I used. I could have gone down the route of decrying your post saying why is a gay man using the word in the sense you did. But I didn't do so because I think that the bigger issue is why is a serious political commentator using the word in this way. To many people gay might mean crap, but they are still referring to sexuality in so doing. In my opinion using the word gay in such a sense is a form of homophobic abuse. I therefore think it is utterly wrong for any politician to adopt this language. And yes, I think Chris Moyles was wrong to do so as well.
As serious in my opinion was your assumption that because the kids were giving the reporter lip (in response to him doing so, it should be noted) you felt that this would escalate to theft. And that you felt it necessary to mention this in your post. Perhaps a bit more of a tolerant attitude to young people (as you indicated in the start of your post) would have served you better.

Iain Dale said...

One day you will emerge out of your own arse. Or maybe not!

Stephen Glenn said...

Iain as you said over at my place it is unbeliveable. How someone of our shared sexual orientation could think they can get away by calling a 13 year old boy a bit gay is beyond beleive.

His mates claerly revealed in it from your account. Having dealt with young victims I don't of homophobic pulling and name calling even if they weren't I don't think the Chris Moyles defence holds water.

Unbelieveable.

Iain Dale said...

Could you confirm that there was a LibDem campaign with the slogan "Homophobia is gay"? Just asking.

Stephen Glenn said...

I was reminded of that just now by someone else Iain. However, it wasn't aimed at putting anyone donw but at building people up.

Subtle deliniation there I think.

Simon Gibson said...

picky to the extreme, he is not homophobic at all, tantamout to a cheap dig im afraid.

Fidothedog said...

Mr Dale is gay? Gosh I am shocked....

Pete Wass said...

These posts demonstrate why I hope that if I ever become self righteous, snctimonious and pretentious enough to be a lib dem, I have the good grace to shoot myself.

Benjamin Gray said...

Homosexuals are routinely executed in Iran; your response: nothing.

Gay man calls a thirteen year-old lout "gay". Your response: outrage.

"because the 13 year olds were happy to engage in a shouting match with the reporter (reporter called them a disgrace, they called him a fucking prick) that they would naturally gravitate to stealing his phone or 'very expensive' Christmas present."

Very shaky grounds here. Or don't you consider this "anti-social behaviour", something you have argued should be dealt with by the police? (http://lansonboy.blogspot.com/2008/07/why-julia-goldsworthy-is-wrong-to.html). If you don't want to be suspected of engaging in criminal activity, don't behave like a lout.